>> it just seemed comical, but he was just desperate to figure something out to get someone else in there other than colin. >> i don't think colin would be the best ceo for the company. >> yeah. >> he's going to tank hq trivia just to preserve the engineers so they can make more apps and make more software. >> right. >> and i left there thinking, okay, like, we're in trouble. yeah, but then, you know, i took that week to really think about the ceo thing. i bought a book, ceo for dummies kind of thing. i did take business school classes at hopkins. i said, i think people in the office would respect me and, you know, they already did. so i would rally everybody together and say, guys, let's save this and let's turn this around. >> initially, it seems crazy. you're not really thinking about the host being the ceo. >> so i wrapped my head around and i said, okay, you know what,