there again, i could have this return to a white house similar to obama's. >> it's interesting, though, that the electability question does seem to be mostly judged right now on that nostalgia and experience question, which is not really a tangible policy thing at all. so it's just kind of odd that biden keeps delivering what is in many ways an eat your vegetables argument to a large part of the democratic base and if you look down in the guts of that poll, biden seems to be polling among the people you think he would. democrats. people who that argument of nostalgia appeals to. but not to the liberal base or the younger voters. there's a question of how much growth can he obtain in the general election coming from this position, especially given that a more eat your vegetables argument doesn't work as well with independents and younger voters as it would with very, very established democrats who really are going to vote for anyone but --