president doesn't want the aid to go to people who won't give him dirt on the bidens, isn't there a difference in the rationale? >> i think the net result to the policy to republicans matters. they feel like this is another case where the obama train station gadministration got awa with terrible judgment. >> you don't mean net result as in all's well that ends well. >> i mean the obama administration wouldn't provide aid that the trump administration is now providing. >> there's no evidence -- that was because the president decided not to do it not for any corrupt reason. >> how do you know why? >> i would say that kent and taylor both helped their credibility to that point because taylor said he thought obama was too weak and he applauded the trump administration for going to the lethal said. kent said i don't think it's too wise that your son has business dealings here while you're the vice president of the united states in charge of ukraine