he's a nice guy but he's wrong. he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about if he says that because you have to have equal justice. it's very, very unfair what's happened to this group of people. >> again, back to the equal justice, i defy anybody out there with logic, eyes and video to tell me who else was to blame on january 6th. but back to the lindsey graham point, will they ever learn? >> it's hard to see that, and what's so interesting, he has continued to be a trump ally since the president -- since the former president left office and moved on to florida. he continues to talk with him, visits him. he is still known as a trump ally and his conduit back to the broader republican party. to say, no, pardons are not a good idea for those involved in the january 6th insurrection got him on the outs with trump just like that in one snap. that just shows you how much