there's a debate in the white house. do you do a giant package now or aggressive but save a few things. tell putin if you go any further there will be addition. do you think they should put the whole package on him now. you've crossed the line. it's not an issue of just the separatist areas. you're done. big package or hold something? >> well, i think you should use the overwhelming amount of it now. you may reserve something like what i call the mother of all sanctions, unplugging russia from the swift financial system. but at the end of the day, when is it that we're going to be clear to putin that there are severe consequences for what you do when he takes the bite after this bite? we've even forgotten he's overtaken belarus already. it may have been quote, unquote on the invitation of belarus' president but he's taken over belarus. and the bottom line is, you need to be overwhelming in the response that at the end of the day he understands there's real