edward snowden? >> he was trying to humanize and personalize something that can seem vague sometimes. this is an issue that critics have brought up. it's been almost two years since his initial revelations through the washington post and elsewhere. it's that the story was too big, too broad and too inaccessbliib to the audience. what he was trying to do was making it too personal by making it about naked selfies. it was funny, but he was trying to take it and make it serious. that's the thing about oliver and others like stephen colbert. they are able to do journalistic thing without being journalists. that's why they sought out john oliver as a potential interviewer. >> precisely. edward snowden had seen previous episodes of oliver's news show and was impressed by the