joining me now from columbia, south carolina. john, thanks for being with us. we know at this point that hacksaws were used to escape. david sweat says that's all that was used, maybe there's power tools, we don't know at this point completely, but joyce mitchell admitted to planting the hacksaw blades in the hamburger meat, getting it to sweat. what kind of contraband have you seen getting into prisons? we've seen everything, any prison system has seen any kind of contraband you can imagine. anything from weapons to tools to drugs. if there's a market for in the prison then people try to sneak it in. >> how do they get it in? how creative are they getting? this was almost something out of like a scooby do episode or something this hamburger meat. how have you seen this contraband smuggled in? >> well, in our system, and in