thing. they saw the man sitting in a convertible mustang with a large rifle. backed up and didn't speed away. i mean, is that surprising? you've covered a lot of, unfortunately, tragic shootings. >> it's not surprising, frankly. we heard about this and many other shootings where the shooter is just very calm. very, you know, it's sort of diligent, if you will. and sort of has this plan in place. i'm going to go and i'm going to shoot this target and it's really not surprising. i think deliberate is the word that i'm looking for. deliberate. not surprising at all. in fact, i feel more times than not that is the way that they are. >> yeah. stay with me, pamela, thank you. harry houck on the phone. we're hearing from the mayor there of chattanooga that there is an officer down and we just want to be very careful when reporting this. we don't know officer down and injured or officer down and dead, correct?