trump see pence as a traitor, and gop voters who aren't with trump aren't very attracted to mike pence. they would rather look at someone else in the field. >> and just as a factual matter, the ones that think he's a traitor are wrong -- >> correct. >> he's not a tray toir. as a legal matter, how serious is the idea that donald trump and his attorneys, more specifically, got a target letter, saying that he is the target of a possible indictment, what does that mean for our viewers out there? >> sure, so, if someone is a subject of an investigation, that means that they are involved in the investigation in some way, but it doesn't necessarily mean that their conduct is the subject of the actual potential criminal violations. the target letter is serious. the target letter means that this is an individual that the investigation is targeting, is directed at, him as an individual, not just the people around him, that his conduct is