personality. he was level-headed and dependable, and just, you know, just a sweet guy. sweet. >> vince, did you know anything about him having any health conditions or anything like that? was he okay as far as you know? >> no. i mean, i know him since 1997 -- '92 actually, met him long before the show. what am i talking about? he was always solid. as a matter of fact i was with him two and a half weeks ago, i was with him a month ago, i was with him two months ago. no, just fine, great color and as a matter of fact he had started to trim down and, no, ate wisely, lived wisely and just enjoying his wife, his baby, his son. he lit up the room when he walked in, put it that way. >> we keep hearing that. frank, when you last spoke to him, where was his head? where was his heart? where was he in his life?