by their own base. >> it is, those who support the tea party more support standing on principles. that's what we are seeing. >> is it principles or ideological absolutism? what is your end goal? what down you will achieve? you have the president and the democratic senate, any attempt to get a perfect solution a non-starter which is why on the sunday showings, they talk about excise, that's yauch about theing points, that's about spin. cya. >> are you not dealing just with the government shutdown, you have us coming up against the debt creeling a few weeks later. how does history inform where we are headed next? >> well, the fact that you got these two back-to-back events