someone. makes you wonder a little bit why it took two years when the media has been interviewing this guy for about 18 months. >> i was saying that, but they have convinced these guys -- >> different getting an interview than an investigation. >> rick frankno knows how the cases are on, we had a guy who worked in terrorism, because god forbid if you get him and don't have your case ready. >> he might have disappeared while we were building a case. >> you didn't know know you didn't have eyes on him. it seems to me that hillary is giving all the right types of answers would you give as a candidate. she's parsing and is careful and understands balance, but i don't hear her making the case for why she should be a candidate, what her message is, what her dib would be. why is that? why is that disconnect still in play? >> because she's not a candidate so if she runs, she will tell us why she wants to be president and why she should be president. i think --