need to be clear about what the law and our principles require and how we classify these activities going forward. >> it's a strong statement from mr. mora. but do you really believe that there's a gray area here? do you believe this was about people the c.i.a. not understanding what torture was and wasn't? >> no. look, the report clearly states that there were many in the c.i.a. who in the midst of administering this torture, they call it enhanced interrogation technique, were very, very concerned about it. and raised those concerns with their superiors. and according to the report, the superiors told them to just carry on. in many of these cases. alberto mora, it needs to be recognized, was the very first american official to stand up and reject and resist this kind of technique. and he did that in 2002. and what he told me is incredibly significant. when he took his concerns about this torture to the military brass, that means the uniformed military, it means the lawyers,