countries, cameroon chad and they're especially brutal. they too, are redefining the art of terrorism. he's sending young girls, eight, nine years old, into marketplaces strapped with bombs and blowing them up. he's a level of moral degradation that we have not seen. >> phillip mudd do you believe rumors from the nigeria officials that they killed them? >> i don't think the nigerians have been effective in this fight, i think he's still around. >> let's go to a she. is this a real player and why? >> i think she's kind of a camp follower. we don't know enough about her. we know that hayat boumeddiene was in the periphery of the paris attacks, she was the girlfriend of one of the attackers, the one who attacked the kosher market. and then she vanished. she left before the attack was actually conducted. the french police aren't saying enough about her actual role in it. it's possible that she was a camp follower a hanger-on and they sent her away because they didn't want her imprisoned. >> not a leader obviously.