the map tells this story. this is where you have this track control and all these spaces where you don't. and why should we just keep throwing money at this problem if they're not spending it the right way? what's your take? >> well my take is your take. you know that's a problem because the office of inspector general, my old office does lots of reviews of the expenditure of the federal funds not just on amtrak but all sorts of transportation modes. and amtrak has had problems. they've had problems with fraud, waste and abuse, they've had problems with how they spent their money and management on the money they've been given. remember this is federal subsidy of a train that provides riders on one small part of the country. and so there's a big issue on how much should each passenger's ticket be subsidized by the federal government. that's a huge issue. that debate goes on almost every year when it's time for the appropriations budget for transportation and for amtrak. and that's a real issue. but other modes of transportation are subsidized too of course. and all subway and light rail and metro systems are