they've got small carry-on bags. we have seen a lot of people who are elderly, a lot of people who have difficulty walking. we're seeing a lot of people who are clearly, visibly shaken, petrified because they have been trapped in terrible bombardment for days on end and are just now starting to get out. and i've got to tell you, john, it just doesn't stop, the steady stream of people that keep coming, trying to cross the bridge. you can see there's actually water flowing through it. they have to walk across a sort of plank. you can see the upturned car from when that bridge was originally downed. but this for the people of irpin right now, john, is the only way to safety, and it is relative safety, of course, because even the city's center is being encroached upon as the fighting gets closer and closer.