so those kinds of things, i think, should be protect and held more closely. but the more routine conversations, the conversations trying to advance foreign policy objectives, those need to be shared with the people in government who are actually executing that policy. without that, they're operating in the blind. they don't -- they're seeing things happen on the ground and not understanding why they're happening, and then, you know, ultimately being surprised to find out they're happening because of a phone conversation they weren't prishy to. >> and so many conversations about whythe military aid was being held up. larry pfeiffer of "the situation room." always great to have your insight. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be right back. i'm embarrassed to even say i felt like i was going to spend my whole adult life paying this off thanks to sofi, i can see the light at the end of the tunnel as of 12pm today, i am debt free