start with what clarissa reported, joe, if the ukrainians are not going to put out their verbatim transcript of this conversation then it's very hard to trust actually what the white house has put out. they don't have the best record with transparency and the fact that, as jim points out, this was a five-page summary of what we understand to be a 30-minute phone call, of course it just raises the question of what are we missing? what have they expunged and hiding in the other computer network that is not supposed to be designed to store conversations like this but was. now what? >> i think that's what investigation and what adam schiff is going to be leading, because if you believe the reporting around this, and there's no reason not to, there has to be an e-mail record of people talking about, you know, did you hear what the president said and why it was moved from the normal server to another server. so i think they will try to -- you know, there is no audio copy of this tape, but they will try