totally changed his life after his brother's presidency. >> the last chapter of his life was his proudest. i talked to president jimmy carter and his widow cybill and their six kids and they describe a man that was funny, smarkt, hard working and in the last years of his life he went around the country talking to people, a lot of blue collar people that could relate to him who were struggling with alcoholism. look, he was in his late 30s with six kids when the international press descended on the tiny town of plains, georgia. i couldn't have handled that. and he wasn't able to run his business. it went into a blind trust because the president, you know -- >> imagine that. imagine that. it never happens. >> he was in office. so his profession became being billy carter. there was nothing else he could do at that point. >> that's a really interesting addendum. you brought up thomas payne. he doesn't get nearly as much