even sondland is suggesting there was this quid pro quo. >> wolf, what we ought to do is demand an anti-corruption statement from every nation in the world we give u.s. taxpayer dollars to. i donts think there's anything extraordinary about that at all. we do know there's no evidence that ukraine thought that the aid was being withheld and the aid did flow. they did nothing in exchange for that. there isn't a quid pro quo. and the two witnesses that will be presented today by the democrats, cherry picked as they are by schiff and his colleagues, are just going to testify conjecture. it's hearsay. it's what they think or what they surmise might have been happening. they never talked to the president himself. >> congressman, you've been generous with your time. we're almost out of time, but the aid began to flow after the whistle-blower complaint went public and everybody knew about it. all of a sudden, the $400 million in defense-related assistance started to flow.