investments from here be paid for promptly with new revenues, i don't think we can afford an increase in the level of deficits and borrowing based spending given the inflation issues that exist in the country. i think in general we are -- we got more of an inflation problem than many people realize. i suspect that means interest rates are going to go up a bit faster than is anticipated by the markets in a way that was signaled by chairman powell yesterday. >> as you're watching this infighting in the house democratic caucus, and in the senate, what is your optimism level when it comes to the biden agenda? what is realistic to get through? >> i think it is realistic to have the most important -- on children in poverty in this