briefer said, but we didn't actually read anything. so it is a shocking revelation there, too, that the commander in chief of the united states didn't get any material from the pdb for virtually a month at the end of his presidency, in a very chaotic time. >> yeah. it is staggering. you know, you mentioned, as we see trump's style here, interrupting briefings, what is the matter with that? what is the matter with interrupting a briefer or challenging a briefer? >> this may be surprising, but there is nothing at all wrong with that. in fact, when i was a briefer, most often for bob mueller and john ashcroft, but a few times into the white house, i actually wanted the customers, as we called them, to interrupt. then i would know what wasn't working for them in the way i was presenting it, and i would know what was of interest to them that i needed to address in the limited time we had together. so there's nothing wrong with interruptions. there is something wrong if the interruptions mean that the fundamental, bottom line