american experiment could in -- that sounds hyperbollic, but if winning an election depend oz on who counts votes, we're all in trouble. >> and secretary, if you can close here for a second and talk to me about what you're hearing among your fellow secretaries of state, about the push to politicize this office. >> we're incredibly concerned. when you have people who do not believe in democracy running to be chief election officers, that should be a flashing red warning sign for the nation. and i definitely agree with jeff, we have a big opportunity. we can't just sit back and watch the erosion of democracy. and there is two things that really need to happen. first and foremost, the senate needs to recognize the urgency of the times we're in and push to protect the right to vote and fund states so that we can make sure election administration remains the best that it can be. and second, for all your viewers, for all good americans regardless of party, we really