has said he believes the people in mariupol enduring this are saving lives elsewhere in the city. but it is coming at an extraordinarily high cost. you mentioned a little earlier on the weekend we saw another strike on a big shelter there, an art school with some 400 people staying, women, children, the elderly, and we don't know if anyone survived that strike. the authorities say they have no way of getting that information. >> if the russian plan was to break the will of the ukrainian people, did not happen, did not materialize. but at what a cost. phil black, thank you so much for being with us right now. joining me is journalist and the former spokesperson of ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, yulia mendel. we see what's happening and we heard from the ukrainian minister of defense who said the sacrifice of the people there may be saving tens of thousands