it was not a good look to say we're going to have off-the-record conversations about something. especially on the heels of being a transparent administration. those two images do not go well together. i definitely agree with that. but let's not pretend this is oops, look what we came across. the republicans are definitely looking for something, not just to get to holder, but to damage his legacy. >> it's a big boy world. both parties do that when the other's in office. >> okay. so we've got to run. but i have to ask you this, quickly. this so called love affair between the obama administration and the media, is it over, you think? >> folger's time. wake up and smell the coffee. >> fox news has been number one in cable a couple years now. i would say they have not been kind to president obama. >> dl, thank you. >> both of you have a great rest of the weekend. summer is nearly here.