because michael jackson said this is my man, this is my doctor, i want him as part of the team, you need to pay him. that's number one. michael jackson hired him, not aeg. secondly, at this stage of michael's life, he had not performed in some 20 years. he was about six feet tall, 125 pounds and addicted to narcotics and taking anesthesia for sleep deprivation and insomnia. how could he have possibly thought he was in any condition to go on a whirlwind tour, perform concerts for multiple millions of dollars? i don't know -- to put all the blame on aeg i think is wrong in this case. >> we've still got a long way to go in this case. >> a long way to go, that's right. >> lots of details to extrapolate. >> many miles to travel. >> thanks so much avery and richard. always making us smarter on these legal cases. the legal guys are here every saturday at about this time