because this controversial and historic rule change may make things worse in terms of bipartisanship in washington, d.c. people have bickered over problems stemming from filibuster rules. this is an unprecedented maneuver, so how are republican senators reacting? let's talk to one. republican senator orrin hatch, senator hatch, pleasure to have you back on. nice to see you, sir. >> nice to see you. nice to be on with you. >> what about the president's point, we heard him from the white house not too long ago, talking about the increased gridlock, saying there have been too many filibusters in his term by the minority party, that your party, as i mentioned, doing this not for substance but to gum up the system. what say you? >> i don't think so. as a matter of fact, this whole exercise, look, this is a use of just raw political power to get what they want on the part of