>> it is interesting the report talks about the etis used on the one who helped lead them to bin laden's courier. i want to talk about page 20 of the report saying the cia contracted with two psychologists to develop to assess interrogation operations. neither had experience as interrogator nor did either have special knowledge about anything relevant to this job. as a former cia operative, it is so hard just to be allowed to work in the cia let alone get an $80 million contract. >> it's more than that. i have done this for 20 years, questioned people on terrorism. that was my job. and the first condition of making that work was to know what i was talking about so i could know when a source was telling me something truthfully.