nato and the u.s. should not take that off the table, but if they support -- if the u.s., say, supports a no-fly zone, and the u.s. shoots down a russian plane, isn't that the beginning of world war iii? >> well, i mean, it is incredibly risky, so i'm not really outright advocating for it, alisyn. but i guess what i'm trying to do is split a hair a little bit and say that we shouldn't take it off the table. i don't want vladimir putin thinking anything's off the table, and who knows how this scenario will unfold. who knows whether president biden and other leaders of our country might feel like they need to grab air superiority and that it might be worth the cost of lives to save people from a genocide. i don't -- i want to leave that decision space out there, and that's why i put it out there in the public. and i'm not alone, and i feel somewhat, i guess, reinforced because general breedlove, my colleague, the head of the