that i know america is. and even having this conversation sends a powerful signal they're doing high-fives in the clinton campaign right now when they hear this. >> let's talk about that, shall we? i have president of republican super pac the congressional leader mike shields with us, also cnn national political reporter maeve reston and john avalon. welcome to all of you. going through the debate, to me, that was really one of the strongest exchanges obviously onon immigration. i want to talk about the eisenhower talk. but first mike, this back-and-forth, to me really showkai d showcases this divide on, say, between trump and cruz and mainstream republican kacandid e candidates. >> yeah. first of all, happy veterans day. i think the winner of the debate last night was the rnc and prince priebus. after the debate in colorado that everyone knew was poorly