>> okay. to you. let's go all the way back. page 2, we highlighted this top of the show. the role of rudy giuliani. the president's personal attorney in all of this. right? how how much did secretary of state mike pompeo know about him. in this line, gordon sondland, the question, did you ever discuss rudy giuliani with secretary pompeo? he says only in general terms. question, what did you discuss? answer, that he's involved in affairs and pompeo rolled his eyes and said, yes, it's something we have to deal with. >> to be diplomatic, this is gross negligence on behalf of the secretary of state. ambassador sondland, by the way, still employed by the u.s. government, this man is still access to classified information and managing the staff and supposedly representing the united states with foreign officials. let's just take that as a reminder. >> yes. >> this whole notion that the secretary of state and the entire state department should just smile and nod and support rudy giuliani because the president wanted them to is gas