kind of more fascinating from jeb bush's point of view. obviously, the most obvious answer is these two men do not like eesm other and that is a big part of the explanation. i think there's more to it than that. if you look at the polling, among the republicans who are not voting for trump, he's pretty unpopular. he's more unpopular than the other candidates are among the candidates who aren't voting for them. what that suggests is there is still a role for someone many the party to try to be the one to stand up to trump, particularly in new hampshire. the problem is you have a number of candidates who could fill that slot. you've got john kasich, jeb bush, chris christie, and what you see from jeb bush is to some extent auditioning for that role to be the one to stand up to trump for the voters in the party who are most resistant. >> ben, do you see it that way? perhaps bush says there are those republicans who don't like donald trump and those are the ones i'm appealing to when i do this, when i engage with trump on this. >> partly, but a lot comes down to the fact that i think you see