think it's probably macron right now. >> i understand. and so that call between president biden and putin has just ended, we understand, and we all want to know exactly what was said and promised, you know, what were the parameters of the conversation. arlette saenz is at the white house, and soon she'll bwith us. but i wonder, you know, david, how encouraging it is even though it hasn't moved the needle very much, how encouraging it is that putin has shown a willingness, has participated in these calls, at least two now with the u.s. president, what does that signpost to you at a minimum? i mean, if he was going to be completely defying and doing his own thing, he wouldn't even entertain the phone calls, or is