situation before the verdict came down from the grand jury and after has been to say -- has not been to attack law enforcement, right? they have said consistently our law enforcement officers are here to protect us. the majority of them are good upstanding citizens. do you feel like that message has not gone the across enough? >> no, it hasn't gotten across enough. and i fully agree with eric holder's statements on this circumstance. >> calling it heinous, disgusting and cowardly. >> cowardly punks and all that sore stuff. i get it. agree with it. but i think we've been in a position where we've mixed two messages two things too much that we're losing sight of reality. >> i wonder if you think some have said that they believe that the doj report and the comments about it after it came out placed a lot more emphasis on the systematic which is frankly systematic heinous racism it outlines that has happened from