what i would could believe republicans is donald trump doesn't give points, he only takes them away one at a time. if you want to play donald trump's game, you got to back him up constantly, which is what we're seeing now. if donald trump doesn't run for president in 2024, we could see 10, 15, maybe 20 republicans running, and with what we've seen from trump's rhetoric after the iowa caucus in 2016 and what we're seeing now is republicans may be incentivized to deny ever losing, that the iowa caucus is rigged, that the new hampshire primary is fixed. that's going to cause major problems for the party, the rnc and our republican democracy abroad as well. >> and look, i think, realistically if he did decide to run in 2024, he could win legitimately, and if he doesn't he would likely still say he did. so there's also that part of the equation. kirsten as we look at all of this, it's the sort of slow moving disaster, which should be lighting a fire under democrats. they're rightfully concerned about the erosion of voting rights and access in a number of states. what we have from democrats is this very public infighting. should they be more engaged in this case? >> well, i think that they are