this. it's a polarizing issue even though it's moving very fast as you know in the polls in favor of same sex marriage. but i just find it odd that you want a certain right for you, but you don't want to afford it to someone like suze. >> i want the right to marry to be for everyone. the question is what is marriage. i think that marriage is intrinsically, what it is is a union of a man and woman, husband and wife, mother and father. but i think all adults should be free to live and love as they choose. they can join a religious community and perform a wedding in all 50 states, this is legal. they can join a place of employment that will give them marriage benefits in all 50 states, that's legal. you don't necessarily need the government calling your adult relationship a marriage to live and to love how you want to. >> suze, i've -- >> i was really silent. i was really silent there. >> what are you really feeling right now? because this is the debate laid bare. this is a guy sitting a few feet