over this country and police departments. police departments are learning to do what ms. tuff did intuitively as a common sense human being with a big heart. >> absolutely. >> what they are learning to do is lead with their ear and listen and get them to surrenderer. we don't have to have these shootings that end in violence. i said this many times, if we have the right training. she -- i know all i need to know about ms. tuff. she has a big heart. what did she say? i love you and i'm proud of you. >> absolutely remarkable woman. martin thank you and dr. amador. antoinette tuff saving hundreds of young children's lives with that remarkable performance. thank you, both. coming next, i'll talk to a man who has a lot to say about gun violence new york commissioner ray kelly.