agitated. nothing i was saying was making any differencech i wasn't able to kooum him down. he had just stopped. >> we had talked him off the edge hundreds of times. >> i just knew, so i made rick, rick was very ill. i made him get out of bed. we drove over the matthews house, i could see lights were on. i started ringing the door bem, banging on the door. typically, he would have said go away or come to the door, invite me in. he did nothing. that was not his pattern. i had a pretty good sense that perhaps something catastrophic could happen. >> what time was it? >> that was late april 24th. so i was pretty sure that something had happened. but he had also told us that if we called the police, that he would take his life instantly. so a call to the police was an instant suicide. so i was living with that horrible, horrible choice of do i call the police and perhaps intervene or do i take that risk