what seems amazing at first becomes commonplace after awhile. you don't lose your soul all at once. you lose it a little bit at a time incrementally. when i lost my ethical way it did not start off, i'm sure we'll get to that later. it's sort of like tiny imperceptible steps over the line. each time you do it your line of morality moves a bit. before long you're doing things you thought you would never normally do. day one shave a guy's head, $10,000. he needed the money. it all made sense. be fun a crew cut, right? then a year later flash forward and it's completely off the rails. >> dwarfs being thrown onto velcro dart board. >> right. >> did that happen? >> i wasn't there at the time. so i didn't throw -- >> but you heard it happened. >> after i left, yes. >> what do you think about that? >> i don't think it's appropriate for sure. i mean, obviously i think it would be humorous to watch it as an outside in a very bizarre sort of way. i don't think it's the sort of humor you want to -- let's just say i don't endorse the