that now identify themselves as independent. and not partisan at all. so even the polling is off. so when you hear that 35%, 40% of republicans feel this way, i don't think, i think those are the republicans who will say the republicans now. and that's really a problem. >> by the way, the democrats, you guy haves the same problem. only 35% of your base really supports joe biden. wants joe biden to stay in the presidency. you wish you had somebody better to vote for that was younger, more vibrant, more dialed in. but you don't. and that's just, but your guy doesn't have 91 indictments. >> that's right. >> so the lesser of two evils. >> i think a couple of things can be true at the same time. i'm actually proud of joe biden and what he has been able to do and we are on a economic recovery. but there's a lot of hurt out there. >> there is. >> and we are not talking about it. the main problem most people have is not donald trump and it is not joe biden. the main thing they are scared