different conversation. it's going to be, how are you doing and i hope you're having a great day. that's not what we should do as journalists. so whenever i'm talking with someone important, i'm assuming two things. first, that i just have to ask the questions that nobody else will. and the second one is that it might be, in this case it hasn't happened thanks to the president, but it might be the last time you talk to that person and then if you take that attitude, it's going to be a completely different interview. >> jeff, jorge, thank you both for being here. >> thank you so much. next on the program, a story that you've got to hear. a washington post correspondent who is living every journalist's worst nightmare. he's been imprisoned in a foreign country for five months now. and coming up next, his brother makes an emotional plea to the iranian government for his release. don't go away. for lotus f1 team, the competitive edge is the cloud. powered by microsoft dynamics, azure, and office 365,