him demanding that he would apologize on fox. that's what he did, and unfortunately it's very little response from media forcing them to actually to bring truths to the fox audience. >> that's an interesting term. red state reality and blue state reality. is it that simple? >> i think there are two different realities, and two different sets of, quote, unquote facts. that's how propaganda works in a book i won't new england that's famous by a person i won't mention who is very awful, you know, he said propaganda works by appealing to feelings. and not our reasoning abilities. so to that extent, the propaganda is working. i'd like to push back on something katherine said and the piece that she wrote, stringing all of these lies and broken promises together is really important and really good work. but i'm not sure he's getting away with it. i think the media is really