take what he says about it seriously and then all of these various reviews, all of this vandalism around the elections, is just there to support that atmosphere, to create an america where the vote doesn't count, only the voice of one man counts. >> and right wing media's role is what in this scenario you're describing? >> well, the right wing media, with a few honorable exceptions, is one giant safe space for the b big lie. what's happened is rather than facts coming out from below to h below the truth stories, we have one giant fiction, that mr. trump won the election. anything that supports that fiction gets all of the air time. so emotions and things about what they would have liked to have happened replace the reality we live in, which is sometimes you win, sometimes you