swisher. of course she's the host of the "sway" podcast for "the new york times" and she knows everyone in brig big tech. they love or hate her or fear her or all of the above. >> good to see you, brian. >> do they actually love this? >> it's not the point, it's analog and physical. yes, it's matters. it's computing and where people are going next. and there will be a future ar and dr in future computing, the way mobile led to apps. there's an idea with metaverse where you interact with people around the globe. it's not so different than holograms and things like that. his is a little creepy, honestly, but it's fine. it's been in movies. it goes back to "snow crash" but it's where way before that. there's been all of these ideas how to create this from the '60s