but why is it kind of pattern of lying about the media claiming we don't cover crimes that we're covering all the time? >> you know, brian, i'm glad you pointed this out. the unfortunate truth is, right, there's always been conspiracy theorists and liars and charltons who are telling people what they think they want to hear. the accountability lies with tucker carlson but it also relies on people who make money off of him and put him on the air. i think you correctly pointed out it's the lack of accountability on the part of the management of fox news that suggests that this is not only a news channel but that they've been willing to do things that have really polluted the public space here. i'm just -- it is actually breathtaking when you sit back and you realize things somebody is saying on the air night after night, lies, untruths, propagandas, and falsehoods. >> it becomes so normal when it's so ab formal. i'm glad we have a chance to