might call them, people who are intentionally trying to do something different. so when you talk about democracy in peril, we have to be very careful that we are not exaggerating, right? you really want to be specific, extra specific, which places? how many? out of how many? that is something i'm constantly yelling at my phone when i'm reading the news. out of how many? how many school boards are imploding in conflict? how many districts are -- electoral districts are restricting voting rights? >> that's a good point. >> you have to report it, absolutely, but you have to put it in perspective. >> when you hear about crazy cases like in tennessee, those are real stories and yet when we look around in our own lives and the conflict is not nearly as heightened as it looks on tv that's something we need to remember to help try to deescalate. amanda, thank you so much for your insights on this. >> thanks for having me. and the book again, very important, it's called "high conflict." up next, what justice brie