inside government by their leaders, up to and including the president. by the way, remember, it is an appointee of this president, the inspector general of the intelligence community who determined this whistleblower complaint to be both credible and urgent. that's something that got lost in hearing this morning. spying is something the president uses flippantly when there is something he doesn't like. >> gloria, i am sure that the president is getting counselled about how he needs to tread on this, which is carefully. he can really get himself in trouble. we're watching it happen before his eyes, according to this "new york times" report, but clearly he is messaging politically with this. >> what is he trying to do? is he trying to obstruct this