those folks and indeed a message to all people serving in the government that if they step forward with complaints, they can expect the president to come after them. >> you just heard from congresswoman slotkin. >> yes. >> she says that she wants to focus on the president using his influence and, frankly, government money, right? >> sure. >> to influence ukraine to dig up dirt on an opponent. i asked her about what we've learned in the complaint. that information was actually moved around to hide it at the white house. and she wants to focus more on the other things. she thinks americans understand that and doesn't want that from anyone, democrat or republican. what's the bigger deal? is it all a big deal? >> i think it's all a big deal. those two different pieces of information, i think, really reflect on each other differently. so just to put it in context. i, in the course of my career as an investigator reviewed