guys are just news max light. >> if they go too far to speak truth to power, will the network back them if the president attacks? will it back them as an opinion host goes after them? as we've seen with shep, the answer is no. joe biden's campaign sent a letter to "new york times," strongly worded letter, about a column they had written. joe biden's campaign also sent a letter to tv networks, asking them to stop booking rudy giuliani. is that a bad look? >> it is a bad look. earlier this week, let me take a left turn. earlier this week, vice president biden made a comment also about senator warren, saying she's a planner, not a president. that's the kind of quip that's gotten him in trouble. just make your case, vice