appeals to the same people as hillary clinton. i don't think he'll run. >> in some head to heads, i think he runs well against the republican field. >> but you have to get nominated before you run in the general election, which is completely different dynamic. >> but there's one other relevant. there's a genuine risk here that hillary clinton is not among the strong. >> she's damaged and so is he are his reputations of gaffes. i think there's another candidate but not joe biden. >> of what consequence, if any, was hillary's apology this week. >> zero. didn't feel like much to me. it was like her saying i'm going to be spontaneous this week. >> how can she get beyond -- very interesting story in "the times" today with the backstory behind the apology. how does she move beyond the server issue, if not by vir view of apology? >> this issue probably changes also zero minds.